Talk:Yadav

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One can refer gamit of articles Yadav_(disambiguation) by various communities including historical, mythological reference, pre-sanskritization, sanskritization, modern, post-indepdence. Good to improve this articles using pre-sanskritization reference for example:

• A book written long before sanskritisation by James Todd "Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan 1829"

References

Non elite?

The article mentions “non elite” in the header which is derogatory and non representative of existing facts. The grouping that exists today is comprised of mixed representation, both elite and non elites, and terming the whole community or grouping as non elite is somewhat biased and inappropriate presentation. Requesting senior editors to make changes as necessary. 49.43.118.87 (talk) 12:09, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

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please change non-elite word Yadav I don’t why they are this page portraying Yadav in such a bad way 103.237.158.189 (talk) 13:20, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

 Not done - Achieve consensus for these changes at the talkpage. - Ratnahastin (talk) 13:24, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

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Change non elite peasant pastoral to traditionally agricultural community. The glossary given in refrence also refers to Jats as non elite, but it was removed from, the article as no consensus was obtained on the topic, similarly here also all the editors have tried to provide the refrences and no one is objecting so the consensus is built for the change. Refrences

Page Number 28 of Government of India Official District Gazetteer of Gurgaon

 Not done: sorry, such changes require consensus among concerned editors! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 13:05, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

how can we establish that can you please start the discussion or tag any of them, i mean no ones replies or counters why it should not be removed and than everyone just repeats the same 2409:40D0:1F:C2B5:71B7:9797:B277:FB6E (talk) 12:16, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Honestly speaking, this version represents the consensus version among experienced editors. Achieving a fresh consensus is a difficult and lengthy process, especially since your request is regarding the lede, which must have been written carefully after discussions or through an implicit consensus! Thanks. Ekdalian (talk) 13:24, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

But this lead was given at the time around 2005 and after that many castes pages like Jat have removed the word to match the current status of the community and the source given for non elite is weak source, WP:SOURCE, So which experienced editor should i tag? 2409:40D0:1C:12D9:E092:C420:EED3:EE4B (talk) 08:21, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

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{{short description|Social communities of India }}
{{About|modern communities}}
{{Use dmy dates|date=July 2020}}
{{Similar with|Yadava}}
{{Infobox ethnic group
| group = Yadav
| native_name = Yaduvanshi
| flag = 
| flag_caption = 
| flag_alt =
| image = 
| caption = 
| regions = [[Uttar Pradesh]], [[Delhi]], [[Haryana]], [[Punjab]], [[Rajasthan]], [[Gujarat]], [[Himachal Pradesh]], [[Andhra Pradesh]], [[Telangana]], [[West Bengal]], [[Assam]], [[Odisha]], [[Bihar]], [[Jharkhand]], [[Nepal]], [[Mauritius]], [[Karnataka]], [[Kerala]], [[Madhya Pradesh]]
|langs = [[Hindi]], [[Ahirwati]], [[Haryanvi language|Haryanvi]], [[Telugu language|Telugu]], [[Gujarati language|Gujarati]], [[Rajasthani language|Rajasthani]], [[Bhojpuri language|Bhojpuri]], [[Marwari language|Marwari]], [[Kannada language|Kannada]], [[Odia language|Odia]], [[Bengali language|Bengali]]
|rels =  [[Hinduism]] [[file:Om symbol.svg|20x20px]]
|related_groups=
}}
'''Yadavs''' are a grouping of elite,<ref name="Bayly2001-p383"/> [[Landlord]]-[[pastoral]]<ref name="michelutti-2004">{{Citation |last=Michelutti |first=Lucia |title='We (Yadavs) are a caste of politicians': Caste and modern politics in a north Indian town |journal=Contributions to Indian Sociology |volume=38 |issue=1–2 |pages=43–71 |year=2004 |doi=10.1177/006996670403800103 |issn=0973-0648 |s2cid=144951057}}  Quote: "The Yadavs were traditionally a Upper-to-middle-ranking cluster of pastoral-Land owning castes that have become a significant political force in Uttar Pradesh (and other northern states like Bihar) in the last thirty years."</ref> communities or [[Caste system in India|castes]] in India that since the 19th and 20th centuries<ref name=pinch-p90/><ref name="Hutton1969">{{cite book|last=Hutton|first=John Henry|author-link=John Henry Hutton|title=Caste in India: its nature, function and origins|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=3_YNAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA113|year=1969|publisher=Oxford University Press|page=113}} Quote: "In a not dissimilar way the various cow-keeping castes of northern India were combining in 1931 to use the common term of Yadava for their various castes, Ahir, Goala, Gopa, etc., and to claim a Rajput origin of extremely doubtful authenticity."</ref> have claimed descent from the legendary king [[Yadu (legendary king)|Yadu]] as a part of a movement of social and political resurgence.<ref name="socialesAnthropology2001">{{cite book|last1=Jassal|first1=Smita Tewari|author2=École pratique des hautes études (France). Section des sciences économiques et sociales|author3=University of Oxford. Institute of Social Anthropology|title=Contributions to Indian sociology|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=jA0tAQAAIAAJ|year=2001|publisher=Mouton|pages=319–351|chapter=Caste in the Colonial State: Mallahs in the census}} Quote: "The movement, which had a wide interregional spread, attempted to submerge regional names such as Goala, Ahir, Ahar, Gopa, etc., in favour of the generic term Yadava (Rao 1979). Hence a number of pastoralist castes were subsumed under Yadava, in accordance with decisions taken by the regional and national level caste sabhas.  The Yadavas became the first among the shudras to gain the right to wear the janeu, a case of successful sanskritisation which continues till date.  As a prominent agriculturist caste in the region, despite belonging to the shudra varna, the Yadavas claimed Kshatriya status tracing descent from the Yadu dynasty.  The caste's efforts matched those of census officials, for whom standardisation of overlapping names was a matter of policy.  The success of the Yadava movement also lies in the fact that, among the jaati sabhas, the Yadava sabha was probably the strongest, its journal, ''Ahir Samachar'', having an all-India spread. These factors strengthened local efforts, such as in Bhojpur, where the Yadavas, locally known as Ahirs, refused to do ''[[begar]]'', or forced labour, for the landlords and simultaneously prohibited liquor consumption, child marriages, and so on."</ref> The term "Yadav" is now commonly used as a surname by peasant-pastoral communities, such as the [[Ahir]] of the [[Hindi belt]]<ref>{{Cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=vkkK6SZOo_gC&pg=PA1551 |title=People of India: Uttar Pradesh |date=2005 |publisher=Anthropological Survey of India |isbn=978-81-7304-114-3 |pages=1551 |language=en |quote=These Ahir of past, now identify themselves as Yadav or Yadubansi and to support this claim use the surname, Yadav, and thus try to distinguish themselves from other constituent groups forming the large Ahir caste.}}</ref> and the [[Gavli]] of [[Maharashtra]].<ref name="Bayly2001-p383">{{cite book|author=Susan Bayly|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=HbAjKR_iHogC&pg=PA383|title=Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the Modern Age|publisher=Cambridge University Press|year=2001|isbn=978-0-521-79842-6|page=200, 383|author-link=Susan Bayly}} Quote: '''Ahir''': Caste title of North Indian non-elite 'peasant'-pastoralists, known also as Yadav."</ref><ref name="Jaffrelot2003p187">{{cite book |title=India's silent revolution: the rise of the lower castes in North India |page=187-188|first=Christophe |last=Jaffrelot |author-link=Christophe Jaffrelot|publisher=C. Hurst & Co. |location=London |year=2003 |isbn=978-1-85065-670-8 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=OAkW94DtUMAC|quote=[187] The term "Yadav" covers many castes which initially had different names: Ahir in the Hindi belt, Punjab and Gujarat, Gavli in Maharashtra, Gola in Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka etc. Their traditional common function, all over India, was that of Zameendaars, cowherds and Land owner . [188] In practice, the Yadavs today spend most of their time tilling the land. At the turn of the century in the Central Provinces two-thirds of Ahirs were already cultivators and Zameendaar while less than one third raised cattle and dealt with milk and milk products.|language=en}}</ref>

Ghosi Thakur (talk) 08:35, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

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{{short description|Social communities of India }}
{{About|modern communities}}
{{Use dmy dates|date=July 2020}}
{{Similar with|Yadava}}
{{Infobox ethnic group
| group = Yadav
| native_name = Yaduvanshi 
| flag = 
| flag_caption = 
| flag_alt =
| image = 
| caption = Dada Krishna Ki Jay 
| regions = [[Uttar Pradesh]], [[Delhi]], [[Haryana]], [[Punjab]], [[Rajasthan]], [[Gujarat]], [[Himachal Pradesh]], [[Andhra Pradesh]], [[Telangana]], [[West Bengal]], [[Assam]], [[Odisha]], [[Bihar]], [[Jharkhand]], [[Nepal]], [[Mauritius]], [[Karnataka]], [[Kerala]], [[Madhya Pradesh]]
|langs = [[Hindi]], [[Ahirwati]], [[Haryanvi language|Haryanvi]], [[Telugu language|Telugu]], [[Gujarati language|Gujarati]], [[Rajasthani language|Rajasthani]], [[Bhojpuri language|Bhojpuri]], [[Marwari language|Marwari]], [[Kannada language|Kannada]], [[Odia language|Odia]], [[Bengali language|Bengali]]
|rels =  [[Hinduism]] [[file:Om symbol.svg|20x20px]]
|related_groups=
}}
'''Yadavs''' are a grouping of elite,<ref name="Bayly2001-p383"/> [[Land Owning]]-[[pastoral]]<ref name="michelutti-2004">{{Citation |last=Michelutti |first=Lucia |title='We (Yadavs) are a caste of politicians': Caste and modern politics in a north Indian town |journal=Contributions to Indian Sociology |volume=38 |issue=1–2 |pages=43–71 |year=2004 |doi=10.1177/006996670403800103 |issn=0973-0648 |s2cid=144951057}}  Quote: "The Yadavs were traditionally a Upper-ranking cluster of pastoral-Zameendar castes that have become a significant political force in Uttar Pradesh (and other northern states like Bihar) in the last thirty years."</ref> communities or [[Caste system in India|castes]] in India that since the 19th and 20th centuries<ref name=pinch-p90/><ref name="Hutton1969">{{cite book|last=Hutton|first=John Henry|author-link=John Henry Hutton|title=Caste in India: its nature, function and origins|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=3_YNAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA113|year=1969|publisher=Oxford University Press|page=113}} Quote: "In a not dissimilar way the various cow-keeping castes of northern India were combining in 1931 to use the common term of Yadava for their various castes, Ahir, Goala, Gopa, etc., and Have origin of Kshatriya extremely authenticity."</ref> have claimed descent from the legendary king [[Yadu (legendary king)|Yadu]] as a part of a movement of social and political resurgence.<ref name="socialesAnthropology2001">{{cite book|last1=Jassal|first1=Smita Tewari|author2=École pratique des hautes études (France). Section des sciences économiques et sociales|author3=University of Oxford. Institute of Social Anthropology|title=Contributions to Indian sociology|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=jA0tAQAAIAAJ|year=2001|publisher=Mouton|pages=319–351|chapter=Caste in the Colonial State: Mallahs in the census}} Quote: "The movement, which had a wide interregional spread, attempted to submerge regional names such as Goala, Ahir, Ahar, Gopa, etc., in favour of the generic term Yadava (Rao 1979). Hence a number of pastoralist castes were subsumed under Yadava, in accordance with decisions taken by the regional and national level caste.  As a prominent agriculturist caste in the region, the Yadavas claimed Kshatriya status tracing descent from the Yadu dynasty.  The caste's efforts matched those of census officials, for whom standardisation of overlapping names was a matter of policy.  The success of the Yadava movement also lies in the fact that, among the jaati sabhas, the Yadava sabha was probably the strongest, its journal, ''Ahir Samachar'', having an all-India spread. These factors strengthened local efforts, such as in Bhojpur, where the Yadavas, locally known as Ahirs."</ref> The term "Yadav" is now commonly used as a surname by Landowners-pastoral communities, such as the [[Ahir]] of the [[Hindi belt]]<ref>{{Cite book |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=vkkK6SZOo_gC&pg=PA1551 |title=People of India: Uttar Pradesh |date=2005 |publisher=Anthropological Survey of India |isbn=978-81-7304-114-3 |pages=1551 |language=en |quote=These Ahir of past, now identify themselves as Yadav or Yadubansi and to support this claim use the surname, Yadav, and thus try to distinguish themselves from other constituent groups forming the large Ahir caste.}}</ref> and the [[Gavli]] of [[Maharashtra]].<ref name="Bayly2001-p383">{{cite book|author=Susan Bayly|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=HbAjKR_iHogC&pg=PA383|title=Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the Modern Age|publisher=Cambridge University Press|year=2001|isbn=978-0-521-79842-6|page=200, 383|author-link=Susan Bayly}} Quote: '''Ahir''': Caste title of North Indian non-elite 'peasant'-pastoralists, known also as Yadav."</ref><ref name="Jaffrelot2003p187">{{cite book |title=India's silent revolution: the rise of the castes in North India |page=187-188|first=Christophe |last=Jaffrelot |author-link=Christophe Jaffrelot|publisher=C. Hurst & Co. |location=London |year=2003 |isbn=978-1-85065-670-8 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=OAkW94DtUMAC|quote=[187] The term "Yadav" covers many castes which initially had different names: Ahir in the Hindi belt, Punjab and Gujarat, Gavli in Maharashtra, Gola in Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka etc. Their traditional common function, all over India, was that of Zameendar, cowherds and milksellers. [188] In practice, the Yadavs today spend most of their time tilling the land. At the turn of the century in the Central Provinces two-thirds of Ahirs were already cultivators and Zameendaar while less than one third raised cattle and dealt with milk and milk products.|language=en}}</ref>

Ghosi Thakur (talk) 08:46, 23 March 2025 (UTC)